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Public Forums => Fabricators Forum => Topic started by: junkyard on 08/ 6/06 - 11:35PM
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Finally, i got barrett over to the dark side.
specs will follow later. but this should be a nice nice rig.
on a small budget using great parts
60 front
14 bolt rear
4:56 gears
agr steering ram assist
39 boggers
tj body
tubes everywhere coming soon
FI chevy v8
built th400
dana 300
SR
this should be a nice rig to wheel
i think i can get him at least 6-8 more inches of flex with his current springs.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/DSC01345.jpg)
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Update...
Got that TJ body mounted on the CJ frame yesterday.
Also got the 14 bolt disc brake conversion done.
Started pulling the FI 350 from the chevy donor truck, will have the motor in next weekend.
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What happened to the big stainless dash with all the gauges?
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the dash is here at the house, we felt that well, we didnt like it so it is sitting here
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how much do you expect to have in this rig after its all said and done?
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it is up to barrett if he wants to disclose the amounts, but ill tell you for what he has yould spend about 12k or more.
he is way under that. now if i were charging him per hour and per mind change he would be way over that. he got some good deals on parts from folks i know so that helps out tremendously.
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Glad to see that old jeep is getting new life... If you'd only seen it the first time I laid eyes on it... YIKES.
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We figured it got hit in the front pretty good cause the body mounts were shifted back a bit. But other than that the body is basically perfect.
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If it was hit it was before I saw it. When I saw it they had it on a 1 ton dodge frame that had a good 24" of mud on every surface... the only thing that wasn't mud was the beer cans that lined the inside.
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it had a good 200 pounds of mud still in it when we got it. i got most of it out but got tired so i stopped. it is coming together nicely, i should have the motor in tonight and start wiring it up, have to finish a fj55 though this week so i wont get super in depth in the cytj
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It was so bad when terry got it that you couldn't id axles or even tell how body was attached to the frame. The front axle that came out of it had 0 gear oil all muddy water, lockouts were solid mud.
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update,
body mounts fabbed and welded on, 350 tbi th400 dana300 are in and motor mounts built.
gonna finish welding the motor mounts and start on the clocking of the dana300. then ill build a flat mount for it.
after that is done ill buuild the cage for it and start wiring in the new steering column and installing the agr box and ram.
trying to get this project trail ready for fall4x fest and fallcrawl.
i think it is coming along nicely. ill post some pics tonightafter im done working on it for the day
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worked on the tubing a bit, tube fenders almost done, and stinger mocked into place. will make the rad hoop (inside and out) and tie in shock hoops. this will all be bolt on so that it can be removed should Barrett need to pull the motor or something like that. will fill in the sides and part of the top with some 1/8th in sheet.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/sidetubeshot.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/passsidetube.jpg)
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also will be doing hydro assist mounts on one of my 60 diff covers soon.
i will post pics of that.
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started on the radiator hoop tonight, got it mounted to the fenders. the grill will mount to that, and that whole assembly will bolt to the frame. the stinger will be a part of that all. Barrett wants the long comp looking stinger, so thats what he is getting. I think this weekend we will start on the cage.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/radhoopfront.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/radhoop.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/motormountr.jpg)
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:applaudit: :rock: :jamminz:
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I was wondering where I left my yellow hammer...lol..
Looks good there goff.
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well we did a little bit today, installed the steering column, the wiring harness, the brake booster and master cylinder and cleaned the last 100 pounds of mud out of it. even got yelled at by the owner of the car wash.
decided that i wanted to mount barretts grill to the fenders and rad hoop, so we did. i have to say it looks awsome and is going to work well.
got the dana 300 mounted into my toyota, and gawked some at my new swampers.
oh also got the old cage out (anyone want to buy a tj cage?)
i will be doing the rollcage this week and we are going to try to have this ready at least to wheel by maybe 4xfest. definately for a run near thanksgiving
oh and myke, i have no clue where your yellow hammer is
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well the 60 cover is ready for the cytj, it will beinstalled so i can weld tabs on it for hyd assist
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it has countersucnk holes and a drain plug on the bottom for ease in chaning fluid
also started on the cage. i like the poison spider looking ones, but had to change it a bit to make it more of what i like.
just started tonight, will have more done tommorrow night or wednesday
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/rollcadeside.jpg)
that is just the top rails, it will have quite a few stringers running all over it. youll see more of it in the next day or so,
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in this paint pic, the red is going to be added, and the blue will go behind the seats and on the side of the jeep. there will be other tubes welded in, i just didnt draw the lines for them
there is no dash, so the cage will become that too.
none of this will be external to the body except the rocker sliders.
and i hope a soft top will fit.
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:beerchug: :metal:
It really is coming together, looking GREAT!
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here is a pic of the grill mount. decided we didnt want it on rubber bushings, so we hard mounted it. the mount will be refined later, for now it is function over form.(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/grillmount.jpg)
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Why did you decide to do the sidebars two pieces? Just wondering if it is a aesthetic thing or something else. Mine are all one piece and I never thought about doing it with two.
B
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Why did you decide to do the sidebars two pieces? Just wondering if it is a aesthetic thing or something else. Mine are all one piece and I never thought about doing it with two.
B
sidebars??
from what i would consider the side bars, looks like its once piece. are u talking about the B pillar???
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which ones are you meaning as the side bars?
the ones that run from the windshield back to the back?
the reasoning for that is simple, you get your most strength from straight pieces. that one ties all the straight ones together, there will be 48 inch pieces that string those together, also if he were to get to where he is sliding his cage against some rocks, it will slide and not hace hangups.
i think it gives it a smooth racey look to it.
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tonight was roll cage night. at 2 am i called it quits, so here is what i got accomplished, first i installed a new windshield, took a whopping 28 minutes to cut out the old and urithane in the new. very nice (barrett dont break it for a while)
then the cage. i am pleased with some of my progress. had to modify my notcher as it takes a different than norm bit.
here are some pics.
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/cage1.jpg)
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some more
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(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/cagejoint2.jpg)
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sidebars??
from what i would consider the side bars, looks like its once piece. are u talking about the B pillar???
:rolleyes: Okay - the side bars are the bars on the side. The a pillar would be the bar that runs vertically by the windshild, b pillar beside the seat, and so on.
So my original question, Geoff, is why did you do the sidebar in two pieces. Mine runs from the floor by my left foot all the way to the rear wheelhouse. I understand why you did it the way you did it and mine is the same other than the sidebars being two peice.
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well the top rail runs from the windshield mount to the rear of the tub, a welded joint in the a pillar takes up less space. the smallest 1.75 in die is 5.5 clr and to me that looks gawdy. also the joint the way i did it becomes a node which is stronger. the windsheild mount is not the main focus on the strength of the cage. it is strong enough not to collapse, but the main focus is above the drivers head.
with the final gussetting, this will be a super strong cage.
so i guess, a part is astetics, the other is is what i feel is stronger. a straight a pillar would be stronger, yet we always bend them to match the windsheild and weaken the tubing.
i have yet to roll one the same way 2 times with different styles of a pillars. i just prefer to be a bit different in my approach i guess
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:rolleyes:
dont give me that :brows:
the way u said it doesnt make since, and still doesnt, but its all cool
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All I can say is this cage is beef, this entire rig is well built and I can't wait to get it out next weekend to break it in right.
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I definately wasn't bagging on it and assumed that the joint was made up for that purpose. I "personally" don't like the look but that is why I bend my cages differently. I was just confirming that he was wanting to keep that windshield mount, which means that he is planning on running his windsheild.
Thanks for the clarification, Geoff. If you are going to be at Fall Fest I will get with you then.
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dont give me that :brows:
the way u said it doesnt make since, and still doesnt, but its all cool
I can give you all the stuff that I want because of this thread:
http://jeepsunlimited.com/forums/showthread.php?t=710044&page=2
Have a nice day. :rolleyes:
BTW - Everytime that I have referred to those bars I have called them sidebars because they are not hoops. Hoops run DS to PS, Halo's are a continuous bar over the driver area, and side bars are on the side.
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haha, so i guess one day u woke up and you were perfect at fabbing stuff?? gotta start somewhere and learn. geez.
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Nope - it has taken me a while to get where I am. I learn something new all the time. But, I also don't post pics of crappy welds and then turn around 6 months later saying that I wanted to fabricate stuff for other people. :bigeyes: Did you take a class or just been practicing?
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i agree, but my work has improved 1000%
here is what im doing now
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v693/biggreentj/WhitesideFAB/P1010044.jpg)
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ehh, sorry i shouldnt have hi jacked the thread. :bowdown:
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well i wont bag on anyones anything, starting this business, there will be people who dont like somethings and will look for me to bag so they have a reason to mouth.
i have no real favorite style of rollcage. i like the halo, the traditional hoop style, and other ones that just come up. i am not a perfect welder, some look great (controlled areas) some look not so so great. i do get enough penetration and so forth.
i am not bluetorch or poison spider. i dont want to be either. my stuff is a hobby. i dont make alot of money, but i enjoy building stuff and seeing people have a great time in the things i modify, build, or whatever.
so with that all said, barrett came over today and we got a little bit done. had some wrong parts, but should still fire it up this week and be ready for fall 4xfest
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Did you decide against Xing the back? When you paintshopped the lines in it showed an X and a cross bar for 5 points (I'm assuming).
Aaron
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on the "A" pillars, there will be a 3" wide 1/4" flat plate that will weld to the outside of the tubing outward and bolt into the existing holes of the tj tub. this is the strongest part of the tub and will add a significant amount of strength to the a pillar.
i like to tie them into that section for strength reasons and in some cases it looks cool too. i am lucky as barrett and given me alot o room to do what i want. since i ran out of tubing, the rest of the cage work will have to wait till tommorrow to see if they have a bundle for me to pick up.
i will be adding a holy crap handle on the pass. side and a lower tube (dash stringer addon) so that it can be filled with steel and made into a gauge cluster. there are some stringers to go into the roof section still and some other 45* brace tubes.
Brad i never take your questions or comments as bagging, since i have talked with you several times in person, i know you and take your stuff as either wanting to know something or as constructive. cause neither one of us have a wheeling jeep, we always make someone elses wheel first.......lmao
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toyotaguy, im still gonna add it, i thought i had another stick of tube, but it turned out to be soe 2 inch sched 80 stuff.
since it is a sunday, i couldnt call up for a bundle of tubing so i have to wait till the weekdays
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didnt get a bunch done tonight, tommorrow night will be the treat.
tommorrow nights goal is this
new bushings front to back
brake lines front to back
steering box install and steering link built
driveshafts
clock dana300 up 3-5 more degrees
build transfercase crossmember
finish cage
install radiator
start the thing
flush hydraulic assist sustem then weld mount to tierod
then all we have left is the exhaust
i fel i will be doing another all nighter on this to get it ready. will provide plenty of pics of the dirty work tommorrow night late.
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too tired to post pics at 1am or so, but we fired it up last night, swapped in the long tail shaft dana300 and took out the short shaft one. installed the new shackles front and rear and installed brake lines and the twin stick.
still have a long way to go, probably no pics tonight because i see another late late night.
things left to do are
radiator
driveshafts (install)
bleed brakes
finish cage and install last 2 seats
install agr steering box and have hydraulic lines built then bleed system
exhaust
build tranny crossmember
finish fuel lines
shocks and shock hoops
and thats all
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Why swap out a short shaft for a long shaft?
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the reasonfor that, is an upgraded tail shaft is not available for the short shaft.
these only came out in 1 or 2 years. barrett wants to get a 32 splined tail shaft and cannot with the short. in my toyota i am not worrying about that, so i put my long shaft in his and his short shaft into mine.
there is only 1 inch difference in the length of a short vs. long
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last night got the driveshafts in, the twin stick mounted and hooked up, rear flex brake lines in and braided steel line in and picked up some tubing.
still a bunch to do, so looks like i have an all nighter tonight to get it done for tommorrow. so much to do, so little time when your a 1 man operation with help here and there
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well i didnt get it done in time, there were just a few things that came up and i couldnt get them done in time.
here are a couple pics of some progress. the agr steering box is on, just need to drill out the pitman arm and install the drag link.
the hyd assist ram is on with the bracket tacked t the tie rod. it is bled out and works flawlessly. the driveshafts are in, radiator and tranny cooler.
i got the pass side shock hoop made and mounted and the rear shocks on.
also have the new shackles on at all corners.
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(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/shockhoop.jpg)
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tonight i clocked barretts transfercase up. i made the crossmember but need to bend some tube and cut some flat plate
here is the clocking, almost flat
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while trying to get his pitman arm off, i broke my large puller, so last night i made one. here is my new pitman arm puller
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/hmadepuller.jpg)
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/hmadepuller2.jpg)
it worked great, so i guess ill keep using it!
ill have more pics tommorrow when i get the crossmember plated and made into a skid
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Looks to be a few leaks under there... I'd have a look at that. :brows:
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well there were a few, no there is only one
i have to fix the pressure side of the hyd assist steering
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well i am happy to say that the shake down run was better than expected
destroyed a ujoint and the caps, but found only a couple things it needed.
lockers front and rear (already knew that one)
alternator (it was bad but we didnt know it till we ran it)
traction link (one of my low profile ones)
but the carnage was limited to a u joint, straps, hydraulic line, return line on the power steering
so im pleased and happy to say that it was Barrett who did the carnage with the front tires off the ground romping up this rocky hill and as it landed he throttled it hard and KA----POWWWWWWWWWWWWW went the rear u joint.
we did get some on hand trail fixes, left front hud needing some attention, changed a battery mid mid trail and got some winching time in.
also have a list of trail tools he needs in his rig.
so here are some pics
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PULL Barrett PULL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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the yj is Mykes, and it was our winchin rig of the day, it wheeled great and it was its maiden voyage too. it has tons of flex and the suspension really worked well. it flexed nicely and i believe Myke is happy with it.
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well also friday night i made the flat belly skid plate and trans mount.
had to change the fuel pump at the run as it wasnt putting out enough pressure.
the rig ran great, jsut a few fixes and itll be an awsome trail rig for Barrett. we all had fun
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well got barretss rig fixed, designed a traction link, will build it this week sometime, and wheeled it around my shop some, rocks and mud and an old drained pond with some challenging banks and v notch.
i got to lay his jeep on its side in the notch when the rear drivers bogger came off the rim.
i think barrett was ticked, but i had fun. the power steering leak is fixed and we took care of some other things. hopefully if there is a run on the 25th, barrett will want to go and we will take it out and wheel the snot out of it this time. no shake down
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wow, im surprized you didnt mention anything about that moron you called a trail guide...who was that guy anyway...geeese...
....lol....do you forgive me yet? :beerchug:
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We figured that we didnt have to cuz he will come forward him self.......LOL
And now we know :applaudit:
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we couldnt complain, after all we have secretly planned to stone you again next time you lead us around.
oops did i type that out loud
we had a good time, learned a few things needed and got a detroit for the rear. itll be here soon and ill get the traction link in and then back for some more.
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Hopefully the Detroit and the other carrier will be here next week.
Got to get some beadlocks ASAP too and finish wiring up the gauges/lights.
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are you going to make beefier u joint straps or will the traction bar take care of it.
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the traction bar should take care of the issues.
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did a snow run in it today. had a balst. this things goes exactly where barrett shouldnt get it.....lol
flexed nicely, drove nicely and was a blastto drive in 12 inch deep snow.
check out the home page http://ozarkoffroadfab.com
ill add some pics to this thread
also tested the flat belly skid. it works great
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here is a pic or two
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I just read all of this . Cool I cant wait to see what you do to my jeep. All the parts are on there way. :beerchug:
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can you identify this happy person?
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b29/w1r3ch4s3r/DSC01608-1.jpg)
caution, has been seen having fun driving where normal vehicles cannot
MODIFY OR GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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it might be hard to tell, but does your crossmember bolt up? it looks to be welded on
btw, i really like the cage, very simple and strong.
nice flex also
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it is welded for now. at 2am the morning of a wheeling shake down, there arent many stores open. so i welded it on. it will be bolted later.
i will bolt it by sleeving the frame with a piece of tubing and running a bolt through it and the crossmember.
well at least for now, we dont have a problem with bolts breaking or loosening up.......lol
it took alot of steep inclines and declines to finally find one the would actually rub the skid plate. the break over angle on this rig is high. it takes alot to get it to rub. i believe it to be around 28 inches or so to the bottom of the skid. and the wheelbase is only 2 inches over stock