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Public Forums => Technical Forum => Topic started by: YellowTJ on 09/18/06 - 12:22PM
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I have on the jeep right now a 2.5 adjustable Fabtech Lift found here http://www.quadratec.com/products/16119_006.htm
I like all good Jeepers want to go bigger. While this lift is great for my 31"s I want to get 33"s and this isn't going to work as I have loved my great flex and don't want tire rub.
So what can I do? Of course less $$ is good but I don't want some waggly humpy bumpy ride either as this is my DD too.
Can this be done as easy as doing a small 1-2" body lift and keeping everything else as it? Or would that put me into new springs, shocks, and other things too?
With this in mind would it be better to buy a 4" Suspension lift and can anything be sold off the lift I currently have?
Give me some thoughts.
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that's an expensive spring spacer. if you like the ride you could easily put a 2" body lift, and while your at it belly up, motor lift and than you don't drag skid all the time. new lift would give you stronger control arms and such. all about dollars and cent and things will change forever and ever anyway.
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My $.02
2.5 inches of lift can be pretty good. I'm running a Rancho 2.5 lift, and I ran the non-stocker run with out ever dragging my belly or anything else.
Spend your money on a set of ARB lockers and some skid plates. You will be money ahead.
Also, 33's won't fit under your lift? I'm running 33's and they will rub @ max flex, but has not been a problem.
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I'd install a 2" body lift. If you order the cover kit that hides it they aren't that bad. Not to mention the $ you'll be saving. No point in buying a bigger suspension kit now unless you spend a lot of $$ and get a long arm that you can add to later when you want 35's.
You can look at ISO's and see how well his body lift is hidden.
She doesn't need ARB's as her jeep is already a rubicon.
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In my opinion a body lift and a coil spacer lift together would not be wise.
To successfully clear 33's you need 4 inches of lift. From what I understand, with the coil spring spacers you won't be able to do a belly up kit. Which will get your transmission up flat with the frame .. about $150, giving you mondo clearance.. belly wise. That is why I went with a body lift vs. coil spacers.
In my opinion... and I'm sure this is my opinion... haha. I would lose the spacer kit, sell it actually, and add that money towards a 4 inch suspension lift which will easily clear 33's and you'll have great flex.
By adding the 2 inch wheel spacers on my rig, it helped to make it more stable and my Ruby rims don't cause my tires to rub anymore... coarse the extra 2 inches of lift help too.( I have 6 total now) When you lift a Jeep 4 inches or more it will cause the axles to become off center so you will need to buy adjustable front and rear trackbars (which I do not have, but am getting soon) this is where the squirrlyness comes in. The adjustable trackbars will fix that, and the front one will fix any bumpsteer. They usually don't come with the cheaper (money wise, not quality) kits.
I don't think coil spacers and a body lift would be wise together. Either one in addition to a suspension lift is okay, depending if you want to go with a bellup kit or get rid of your transfer case drop kit, but I would never go more than 2 inches on a body lift.
If I had to do it over again, this is what I would do something like this or similiar...
3.5 inch RE SuperFlex. (actually I would want the 4.5 as I want to go up to 35's someday) http://www.quadratec.com/products/16300_404.htm#details. $879 on Quadratec. I bet 4wheerssupply would give you a great deal. Never buy anything from Quadratec, they are pricey and add rediculous amounts on for shipping and surcharges.... unless you like throwing your money away.
1 or 2 inch body lift (performance accessories) ( I would say 1inch, but with 2 you'll get more flex) $156.99 including shipping. 4wd.com
1.5 to 2 inch wheelspacers @$150 my 2 in spacers where $164.51 including shipping EBAY (no need to buy the poison spiders) you'll pay an extra $100 just for the name. Will give you stablity and allow you to keep those pretty Ruby wheels.
Front and Rear adjustable trackbars. $$$ depends on brand you buy. upwards of $250 for both.
I would do the work yourself, or at least get some club members to help. We'll do a much better job than a shop, plus you'd be there to supervise. Shops just want you in and out, then your money... doesn't matter who they are or what club members recommend them, they just want to get you in and out, and your jeep will just be a number.. Unless the guy who owns the shop is one of your best buds, then you might get some special treatment. Jeepdog (he will like me nominating him ) has an awesome shadetree shop, I am sure he would be glad to help you, us, or anybody you wanted to ask come out there and get your rig fixed up, plus a hamburger and soda is alot cheaper than $50++/hour for labor.
Here are some 4 inch kits from a store on Ebay I have bought from before:
I'm not a Rough Country salesman.. but these are priced great and after a quick scan through various kits don't see a better bang for your buck than these.
Lift 1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-2006-Jeep-TJ-Wrangler-4-Series-II-Lift-Kit-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33585QQihZ007QQitemZ170025280609QQtcZphoto)
This is is pretty sweet, you get front and rear upper and lower ADJUSTABLE control arms... lot of bang for your buck there ...
Lift 2 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1997-2006-Jeep-TJ-Wrangler-4-X-Series-Lift-Kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33585QQihZ007QQitemZ170025281043QQtcZphoto)
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BY NOW MOST PEOPLE HAVE SEEN MY STOCKER FLEX AND IS A ROUGH COUNTRY LIFT, THE ONLY THING I HAVE ADDED TO LIFT IS ADJUSTABLE UPPER CONTROL ARMS. 1 1/4" BODY WAS ADDED WHEN BELLY UP WAS DONE, ALLEN IS A WITNESS IT DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING TO PUT IT ON, EVEN THE SECOND TIME BY MYSELF AFTER DISCOVERED LEFT OUT ORIGINAL SPACERS.
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Sounds like the second one has everything included. Anything else you think I'd need? I want to do it right. I find that sometimes doing it right and half assed are about the same cost a few months down the road. Is the only difference between the two the control arms... what do they do for me?
And your right hamburger, sodas, and beer is way cheaper and a better experience than a shop.
So now it becomes a question of finding the money. What do you think is really sale worthy comming off the Jeep? I feel like a psycho for spending nearly $1000 on this lift in Febuary and now thinking of doing it again. Almost 1/2 the cost was shop fees. Call it a big time newbie mistake.
**and to anwser if 33s will fit... yeah they'll fit but rub. I really learned by watching ISOs problem. Plus I like the look of some air between the body and the tire.
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I still have all my parts that have come off of mine. Not sure what everything is worth.. If you're going to get rid of the coil spacers... you should be able to get back 70%, I would hope. You can also sell your 31's.
Oh yeah, you don't want people drinking beer while they are working on your Jeep. Send em home with money for a 12pack or something, then they can work on their own rig while throwing back cold ones. :agree:
In addition to that X-Series lift from Rough Country... to do it completely right... You will need:
Front and Rear Adjustable Track Bars.
These are JKS, you can find cheaper, and are the ones I will get ... just makes sure you get adjustable ones, and for the amount of lift you will have:
Rear (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JKS-Adjustable-Rear-Track-Bar-Jeep-TJ-Wrangler_W0QQitemZ170025282172QQihZ007QQcategoryZ33585QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Front (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JKS-Adjustable-Front-Track-Bar-Jeep-TJ-XJ-ZJ_W0QQitemZ170025282104QQihZ007QQcategoryZ33585QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
and... if you wanted to lose the Transfer Case Drop kit, and do a belly up.. .you will need an extended drive shaft, but that can always come later... they are kind pricey.. the drive shafts that is.
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Is the only difference between the two the control arms... what do they do for me?
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they allow for more flex, better alignment, and less stress on everything else.
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Steph,
Here is a review of the 4" X-Series ...
http://endlessadventureoffroad.com/roughcountry.html
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So they're a really good thing. Darn it, however I didn't think you'd say skip them.
So is there anything else in the second kit that I'd need, besides some good friends? And the tire gods to rain tires down on me when this gets done?
I must now go have a talk with my credit card. I just paid that darn thing off!
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No, not unless you want to get the driveshaft so you can get by without installing the TC Drop kit. I'm pretty positive with this kit... you'll even out flex SHAMOO! :bigeyes:
If anyone else, knows of a better bang for your buck than what we have been talking about... please speak up. A Jeep depends on it.
You looking at about $1200 for all this. Could probably even look around some more and save another $100, or at least find somewhere with Free Shipping. I know I have heard people brag that they only paid $400 or so for their lifts, but they don't have near the stuff included in this. and the more I look at it, the more I want it for myself.
I wouldn't do it on credit, I'd just save the money. Credit is evil. You'll end up paying twice as much for it. I know you want it NOW, but listen :bangtard: If you gotta have it now... sell stuff to get the money. That's what I did. I sold a couple guns to get the stuff, now I have it, no payment, and still have enough guns to wage a small war. Okay, I am off my Credit is Evil soap box.
A creative idea to get some much need/wanted Jeep dough... I had 100+ DVD movies that were cluttering up my living room all of which I had seen multiple times, I sold everyone of them for $5/peice... brought in over $500, which I haven't spent yet. :brows: just a thought.
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I would price these kits at Johns 4x4, that is were HVACMASTER got his. They have great pricing on the rough country kits.
With that being said, you could add a 2" body lift and clear bigger tires, but you really wouldnt have that great of flex. How does it do now?
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I have great flex now. On the RTI ramp it was just about an inch short of 5ft. Truth is if I wasn't worried about the flex so much I could stuff 33's under there now. But I'd like at least another inch of clearence to do it.
I'd like to hear more about the adding a body lift option. Its attractive in that its cheap, however I don't want a rough ride to work and one thats squirly on the trail.
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Adding a body lift on top of coil spacers just seem like it would be dangerous to me, making your rig incredibly top heavy...and it would lean real bad when taking corners during daily driving. Your stock spring is not set up for that. Your pushing it now with the coil spacers you have. Maybe not.. perhaps people do it all the time, but seems to me that if that was the case, then everyone we know and wheel with would have 3" coil spacers and 3" body lifts. right?
Is there anyone who has these two mods together with a stock spring setup? I'm thinking no.
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I've owned jeeps with 3" body and 2" budget boost lifts before. I didn't like it and put on a 4" suspension and took the rest off.
As far as making it top heavy using body lift doesn't raise your center of mass as much as suspension since your not raising the drivetrain and frame.
If you can afford it then get a good suspension kit preferably a long arm kit.
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:bowdown: I stand corrected. I set myself up for that.
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I didn't mean it at you just saying some do. People who want a lifted jeep with no $$ do it. I bought it used that way and redid it like I do everything.
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I know Aaron, but I didn't think anyone was actually cheap enough to diminish their ride like that. But hey, having a jeep is a sickness, and when you want lift... you do what you can.
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You should have been around when I used to run with a mud crowd in high school... I've seen things that make you cringe,
4" WOOD body lifts
6" Lift blocks at all 4 corners
Frame stacking also is an old redneck lift.
I've never done any of those but have seen them on multiple rigs.
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Frame stacking... hmmm
Interesting, very interesting... :thk:
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Tell me more about this long arm kit... I was talking with Jimmy about a Rough country lift.
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Yeah I had a buddy in high school. He used wood blocks soaked in epoxy resin... one gave out on him while going around a curve, he wiped out... broke his back... and then put a new wood block back on. :bangtard:
Long Arm kit... veddy expincesives. .. and will void your factory warranty... though I want one. I still got 5 years and/or about 40k miles on my warranty though, so not this week.
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The problem with short arm kits is the angle your lower arms are at with more than a 4" lift.
Long arms allow for more lift (when you want 35-37's).
http://www.rubiconexpress.com/dynamic/mainpage.asp?folderid=184
That site shows you a lot of differences. I've had 2 TJ's with short arms and 2 TJ's with long arms personally. If you can afford the price tag long arms are better for a person who knows they will do this for along time and will keep going bigger. If 35's are your max you can acheive that with a short arm kit.
For short arms ISO has linked some good kits I've put the Rough Country elcheapo from John's 4x4 on my black TJ and it was very easy install and very good kit for the $.
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Ok so I'm not doing that. Jeep's only 7 months old. Darn I just thought of something I could sell.... my Jon Boat. I have an old Richline and two motors, sell that and I should have my lift. Then I'll just have to figure out the tires on my own. Ok off to go see about prices for that boat.
Jimmy - So on that Rough country do you think you have the knowledge to put that on my Jeep? I don't but I figure you do, and would you be willing to help me out. I don't have the set up to do it either. Of couse I'm willing to drag anyone else into helping out who's nutty enough to spend several hours assisting for as much as they can eat in BBQ food.
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nutty enough to spend several hours assisting for as much as they can eat in BBQ food.
When and where???? :eatem:
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Yes, but with people like Aaron and Keith helping, we could gitterdone alot faster. mmm BBQ.
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I've put on a lot of lifts and will be more than happy to come help you put yours on. I don't have all my tools down here since they are all back home in my shop. Do you have any to do this with?
You should call John's and get a price on the kit. I would NOT recommend you buy his Quick Disco's they are junk and there are much better out there.
Aaron
Johns 4x4 417-744-2721
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I called out at Johns... getting a quote, they said they'd call me back.
Bad thing is you'll have to pay tax. Ordering online.. no tax if you buy it out of state. Cheapest one I found so far is... $899 and $39 for shipping. I'll let you know what Johns tells me.
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Aron... would you suggest the second kit that Jimmy pointed out with the control arms. Looks like with them it's $529 and with it's $899 I don't know how much control arms should be or I'd not have to ask.
Now what to do about the tires. I'm almost hell bent on keeping the Rubiacon wheels on it. They's 16s but I don't know how wide they are. Jimmy how wide were yours? I know you had to change the backspacing with the width you have.
Aron and sadly no. I'm going to play the woman card here, I have tools for around the house stuff but when it comes to mechanical car stuff I am sadly lacking. My BBQ grill will travel though!
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Yes I'd buy the kit for $899. The adjustable upper and lower control arms make it about the best kit you can get and keep short arms.
I don't have a garage to offer to do the lift at but will show up and help if needed when you find one.
That same kit is available for $899 on roughcountry.com
Aaron
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okay.. we're going to need sawzalls, a couple cutting torches, a mig welder, cresent wrench and a hammer.
Let's do it! Oh yeah, almost forgot.. we'll need some airplane fuel and a keg of gunpowder too. :bigeyes:
Just kidding... I'm pretty sure Ive got all the tools we would need. Though I do not have a welder should we have to weld the rear track bar bracket like Johns did mine. We might not have to do that with this kit as it is a much better one that what I have.
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Ok so that guy isn't offering any discount. I'll take off for a spin around the internet to look for prices.
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I'll get back to you on a place where we can get this done with plenty of room.
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The rear doesn't need to be welded on. It didn't on your kit either jimmy it's just a lot easier. It's a major pain in the ARSE to drill the holes needed in that bracket.
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well then, we won't need the welder... but the airplane fuel and gunpowder we will. :agree: I asked them about that. They just said it was how they did em.
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Is your goal to have this on and new tires on before Fall4XFest?
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Will I need a Slip Yoke Eliminator? or other parts besides the X series Kit with the arms? Keep in mind this is an auto and I already get some rubbing on the drive shaft on the front skid plate. Is this higher lift going to make that worse?
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YES to 4xfest, of couse being an American means I can't wait for anything.
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No your transfer case is not a slip yoke style. The case drop should offset the new lift and you won't rub anymore. If need be you can "notch" the skid a little.
Aaron
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Yeah I have a hole in the skid plate now, it only hits when I go up a steep hill and bounce a lot.
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Summit has this:
SLF-K372
$666.95
Estimated Ship Date: 10/7/06
overview Application Kit/Combo Contents Warranty Show All
Brand: Superlift Suspension Systems
Product Line: Superlift 4WD Suspension Lift Kits
Primary Front Lift Component: Coil spring
Primary Rear Lift Component: Coil spring
Front Shocks Included: Yes
Front Shock Quantity Per Wheel: 1
Front Shock Type: Hydraulic twin-tube
Rear Shocks Included: Yes
Rear Shock Quantity Per Wheel: 1
Rear Shock Type: Hydraulic twin-tube
Brake Lines Included: No
Hardware Included: Yes
Quantity: Sold as a kit.
Notes: Includes coil springs, lower links, pitman arm, pinion angle cam, brackets, bump stop extensions, transfer case kit, shock boots, and shocks.
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Just food for thought, also, Summit doesn't charge for shipping, and they're at the phone 24/7
1-800-230-3030
This kit had a decent write up in one of the books, or maybe it was for my YJ, i forget, but it's a decent looking kit.
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That wouldn't be here in time for Fall4xFest and the X-series lift offers alot more for your money.
Steph, Keep in mind, that lift isn't all of sudden going to make your Jeep 'go everywhere, do anything' .. that is where driving skills come in. The lift and tires help no doubt... and I am no seasoned driver myself. But take mjsteiro for example... he can drive that XJ like its nobodies business... and take it everywhere most lifted and locked Jeeps go. I've seen it. Just food for thought.
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Definately spend the extra $ to get upper arms.
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I talked to Jon and he's agreeded to help. I sent me to look at a Superlift Kit, that's what he has. I'm going to get the control arms for sure. He suggested getting an adjustable front tack bar rather than one you have to drill in for. After his explaination I think it could save some time and effort. He still talked on a slip yoke elimintor too. Is this something that I can add later? I'm going to talk to Kevin at 4ws tommrow.
So Jimmy do you think you can host this event if you have the jacks and tools that might be easiest. If no one minds the travel to Republic I have space but not the equipment.
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its the bracket that the track bar connects to that has to be drilled. Aaron could explain it better. I'll get back with you on the place to do it, but if nothing else we could do it here at my house. I have a nice size 2 car garage. So you are going with the Superlift kit?? If so which one? I'd like to know so I can see what all your getting and if it is a better deal.
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Moo said somthing about a superlift called a rock runner, I'm just now sitting down to look into it. I'm not careing what the name is the most bang for my buck and a good ride around town is that I want.
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You must not have told John you had a Rubicon. With a Rubicon you can't do a slip yoke eliminator becasue you jeep left the factory with a fixed yoke not a slip yoke, therefore you can't eliminate it.
The adjustable trac bar means you can twist the trac bar to adjust your axle side to side under the jeep. That way the tires stick out equally on both sides as opposed to being wider on one side.
The bracket on the front isn't bad just not very stout the one on the rear is stout enough just a Major Pain in the A$$.
I'd also like a link to the kit he recommended just so we can make sure it's complete enough to do what you want.
Aaron
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http://http://www.4wheelerssupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/70708
I think this is what he's talking about but its way more. He also liked the rubiacon express 3.5
http://www.4wheelerssupply.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/1632[/url]
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I think she is talking about SHamoo... Jon
Not John from Johns, she would have talked to Brandon at Johns anyway.
That's alot of jons in one sentences... I gotta go to the john. :brows:
I looked at every lift from Rubicon Express to homemade wooden lift kits from the redneck barnyard... and not one gave you all the stuff that the X-Series does. With that being said I would buy the Rough Country X-Series. THis is your baby though, you do some homework and buy what you feel is the best for you. I'll help you put it on no matter and I sure the other guys will too.
Jimmy out.
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The R.E. kit is about $50 bucks cheaper if you buy direct from R.E.
I like the Rough Country kit over Superlift since it has adjustable arms instead of fixed.
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You don't get the front and rear uppers with the RE kit either.
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Ok good enough for me. So why do you think the rough country is so much less? It sounds like the price may be too good to be true.
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Rough Country has always made their kits cheaper. They got a bad rep. back in the day because their leaf spring kits rode like crap.
I don't know why they are so much cheaper other than they are well established spend 0 on advertising for the most part.
Aaron
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Any thoughts on the ride now? Its a big concern that I don't end up with some stiff jar your teeth out ride.
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That is based on spring rate and what tire your running and it's PSI. I don't personally know the spring rate of R.E., superlift, or R.C.
I did a long time ago and back the rock krawler had the lightest spring rate ( I used for custom TJ).
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Here are the instructions for the X-Series if you wanted to take a look and see what all it entails. I would recommend that anyone who is wanting to help with this get familiar with the instructions for the kit she decides to go with.
http://www.roughcountry.com/1668X.pdf
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Hey If you need a place to work on your jeep. we can use my shop as long as we can work out the time and details. let me know. :cool:
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Jeepdog's shop is one to be envied by all. I'd take him up on it Steph.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Spidertrax-Wheel-Spacer-Kit-Jeep-XJ-YJ-TJ-ZJ-KJ_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42614QQihZ018QQitemZ280029403441QQrdZ1
http://cgi.ebay.com/JEEP-CHEROKEE-WRANGLER-4X4-WHEEL-SPACERS-NEW_W0QQitemZ250031021646QQihZ015QQcategoryZ100909QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
These are some wheel spacers I've found will these work? I figured out what I was looking for the 5x4.5 but don't know how thick. Looks like there are 1", 1.25, 1.5, and 2"
I wrote Jeepdog about the when to set this up.[/url]
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Good Lord, don't buy those ones from the foreign seller... You'll get some crappy FRENCH aluminum or something....
THe SPyderco ... you are only buying the name. Though they are made from the good aluminum t6061. Plus I don't like the dorkey anodized blue that they are.
This is where I bought mine... there are made from the t6061 as well. and a fraction of the price of the spyderco's. I am very pleased with mine.
1.5 inch set $115 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220026396774&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_ReBay_Pr12_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=220017553725&itemcount=12&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CategoryProximity&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget)
2 Inch set - This is what I have $129 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JEEP-WRANGLER-5X4-50-Wheel-Spacer-Adapters-2-4pc-USA_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ42614QQihZ012QQitemZ220028159042QQtcZphoto)
There is no better for wheel spacers.
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Wheel spacers=extra crap to go wrong, and it puts a lot of undue stress on your outer bearings. Besides, for that kind loot, you can buy a set of aero black steelies from summit, and have them in 4 or 5 days. Also, 15 or 16" doesn't matter, all you should be concerned with is the outer circumfrence of the tire. Unless there is something i am missing on the disc brake set-up on the Rubis, it shouldn't matter, and you would get more bang with 15s.
I linked all the stuff to you in a PM, but basically get a 3-3.5" backset on your trail rims, and get a decent set of LTB swampers, and keep your nice MTRs for the street, and you'll be cash ahead. You're only going up another 1.5" so the 31s you're running now won't look too bad, and you'll get better MPG with the smaller ones. Your speedo is calibrated to correctly read with your current tires, also.
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wheel spacers have been given a bad name because of the stackable ones you get from Orielly's or PepBoys..
The wheel spacers I have and listed above are not stack ontop of your lugs and put no more stress on your axels or bearings than after market rims with thicker backspacing would.
I researched them well before adding them... sources that had nothing but good to say about them... were many top competitors in National tourneys, JP mag, 4Wheel Drive, and RockCrawler... that was good enough for me.
I have pounded the crap out of them since I had them, if you could have seen me bouncing on Wagoneer... you'd know they were okay and tough as tough can get. Also, there are others that are made from a lesser grade of aluminum and they are what you have to watch out for... the good stuff is T6061 and that is what I have and pointed Steph to. I have checked mine twice since I put them on and they have not loosed, cracked or failed in anyway.
Okay .. I am off my soapbox now. rebuttle anyone?
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I trust them. If you saw all the lifted Dually's back home and the loads they pull. I'd run them no ?'s asked.
Dually's run them to space out tires from each other to run wider tires.
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You're only going up another 1.5" so the 31s you're running now won't look too bad,
She's going up 4" ... 31's = a big fat negatory... :agree:
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She is currently running a 2.5" kit, and is loosing that to go with the 4", or that's what Cristy told me, earlier in the week. I'm just pointing to a more economical way to go. Also, i'm a trade machinist & set-up man that knows a bit about metallurgy & physics. Basically, you can run the spacers, but you have more joints, and more bolts/lugs to get messed up that equals more wear. You can't beat steel on steel for strength & compression resistance on rugged terrain, and then turn around and drive home.
Jimmy, you have been running those for a couple weeks, and I know Steph is going to be running her jeep every day. If she is going up 6.5" total, then the 31s are too small, if she is removing the 2.5s, and going up just 4, they will be just fine.
I know for a fact that overall cost is a major factor in this upgrade.
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You read it right dick she is only gonna have 4" when it's done.
I also suggested the cheapy steel wheel route but as a single set. I didn't figure she would want to change tires and wheels every other weekend. But she wanted to keep her Rubi wheels.
Aaron
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Your right Dick, she is gaining only 1.5. :bowdown: My bad.
I do drive my Jeep everyday as well... never have been much for riding a bike to work. I got too much junk I have to take back and forth.
Yes I have only had the spacers for a couple of weeks, but have abused them pretty good in that time... I think there great, should they ever fail for some crazy reason, I'll come back to this thread and drink a big ol glass of crow in your honor Dick! :beer:
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LOL, no probs. I always look at the practical sides of things. Changing from street tires to trail tires is a pain in the arse, but it also forces you to visualy inspect all 4 corners of your DD rig after you wheel. Brake/lines, calipers, spindles, bearing leaks, runout, lug condition, etc. Plus, if you shell a trail tire (ask Mike & Rick) then you don't have to scramble to get something to drive on monday. It is also much cheaper to find/buy a set of 33 15s than 33 16s, used. as well as steelies
From 4 sale thread that is current:
http://www.ozarksjeepthing.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4042
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Hadn't looked at this in about 1 and a half days and missed the wheel spacer debate. Sorry ISO I didn't know you'd responded to me here or I'd saved time looking at all those spacers last night. I'm going with the ones you showed me above.
I'm going with the spacers as I can not trade the good looking Rubicon wheels. I know it's cheaper by far to just get some steals and stop with the spacers and the higher dollar amount on the tires for the 16" however the mind is made up and I'm keeping those Rubi wheels they are too much a part of that Jeep, it'd be like peeling the Rubicon letters off the hood.
-- I mean who'd do that?
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it'd be like peeling the Rubicon letters off the hood.
-- I mean who'd do that?
There's a guy at the building next door to my work that did just that to a Rubi Unlimited. I thought he just put the Moab wheels on a standard Unlimited at first, but I guess not.
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There are weird people out there I guess, I however spent too much for those letters and wheels not to show them off. Yeah sure those tires and letters came with some other stuff like lockers, and so on but you can't see those. :agree:
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I like a sleeper I guess. Drag car, truck whatever.
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I'm keeping those Rubi wheels they are too much a part of that Jeep, it'd be like peeling the Rubicon letters off the hood.
Proud Ruby owner chimes in: Amen sister.
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Okay ... I'd like to get a head count of who's in to help with YellowTJ's lift on Saturday, we'll be starting @8:00a.
People in so far... for sure.
Myself
Jeepdog
YellowTJ (of course)
you?
you?
you?
and maybe you?
You can go online to register... just kiddin.
PM me so I can get you directions and/or a place to meet.
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I'll be there if I get some directions. For some reason I thought it was sunday but guess i was confused.
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OK while I do not have tracking numbers:
I called Top Gun Coustomz where I ordered the lift, and to my heart's failure he said Oh RC is back ordered on their lower control arms. Eeeek. So I asked what we could do and the man with the best karma rating today said he'd work on it.
Tanner called back sometime later and said he could have RC ship everything except the arms and then he's having the arms sent from another place.
Tanner assured me it'd all be here Friday so the party can go on. I was about to cry but now I'm happy. :applaudit:
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Good News! Got everything but the arms last night. WOW is all I can say I called Tue afternoon and they were at the house at 3pm the next day. The lower arms should be here today. Now if I could just get the wheel spacers in it will be all done. However if I had one thing to be late I'd pick the spacers.
We should be good to go for Saturday.
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Well glad all the parts are starting to show up.
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So who's going tomorrow?
Aaron
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"I" ... said me.
Last official head count:
Jeepdog, ISO, shamoo, yellowTJ, toyotaguy... and OldYJ for part of the day.. maybe.